BSGcast 3.16 – “Maelstrom”



A shocker in the true sense of the word. For fear of giving away spoilers to the unwilling, we’ll try and stay cryptic… we are both grapsing for every “say it ain’t so” theory we can imagine, and hopefully you can chime in with your own, but we really feel that there is more to this episode than meets the eye! Hopefully our theories can give you a bit of consolation while you gently cry your self to sleep each night from now on…

~Matt + Nat

28 Responses to “BSGcast 3.16 – “Maelstrom””

  1. Frank Says:

    Can’t wait to see your episode this week!!! HOLY FRAK!

  2. Ciel Says:

    Looking forward to it. :D

  3. [K]aotik_[T]heory Says:

    I love and I hate this episode of BSG. I love it coz it was masterfully done and so powerful, but I hate it because it was so frustrating. Why oh WHY!? All this talk of Starbucks destiny… and she gets killed of in a matter of seconds with a simple phrase ‘I’m not afraid to die!’ ?

    There has to… I mean just HAS to be more to this Starbuck story than we are lead to believe at the moment. And your theories about her possibly ‘leading’ the fleet somewhere is a fantastic insight. I like that theory… and I’m backing you up 100% here. Otherwise, its a simple ‘we need to kill of Starbuck’ episode – in which case its would be a complete slap in the face. There better be a greater story being developed from this, because if there isn’t well then it looks like that Kat got a better send off from the show than starbuck did. There is no way that Starbucks supposed ‘destiny’ was to fly herself into a storm and get killed!

    Great job again on this weeks episode guys! I think we all need to sit and hold eachothers hands as we watch the next 3 episodes! Who knows where this is all going! But I can’t wait to find out.

    Yiasou kai kalinihta

  4. Mike Says:

    Hey Folks, here’s what I think: we had a promo for season 3.5 which said: “one will die, one will realise they’re a cylon and one will find Earth”.
    Now what, if the word “one” is not reffered to certain characters of the show but to the cylon model #1, who dies, resurrects, realises she’s a cylon and who knows maybe she finds Earth becouse the cylons already know where Earth is (could also be their homeworld)
    So I guess you know who am I talking about…

    Mike from Hungary

  5. Einzelganger Says:

    Hi, I just wanted to say I have become a big fan of your show. Also I would like to tell you of a website that has interviewed Katee Sackhoff about the fate of Starbuck I think you’ll find it interesting. Here’s the url http://www.cortandfatboy.com/index.php?id=489 Again I really am enjoying your show, thank you

  6. Jei Says:

    Thank you! For hitting every nail on the head, regarding Starbuck and her importance to the show.

    I’ve long since thought that possibly Kara was the first Hybrid (before Hera) and this episode still has me leaning towards that theory…
    Starbuck could very well be the chosen one.
    It’s also been a question of mine – The basestar hybrid, the gibberish it speaks, not gibberish but perhaps disjointed sentences almost all pertaining to Kara.

    Regardless if Kara comes back or not, I think what Ron Moore did was fantastically stupid, however, if he brings Kara back and the answers happen to be kick ass… well then my hat’s off to him.

    As a fan I can only hope that he doesn’t pull a Chris Carter, where after all the build up and speculation over Mulder’s sister… she turned out just… “dead” taken away to be a starlight child, no aliens, no government intrigue…just starlight. bleh

    Thanks again guy! I love forward to your cast every week.

    jei

  7. Lynda Says:

    “Does Hera talk? She cries”. Bwah. Omgs that was hilariours. :D

    I think you guys nailed it in saying that Starbuck will lead the way to Earth, she is Aurora in that sense. The in between, as you guys mentioned, is where I think she will come by the knowledge of Earth. Then she will show up in the last 2 minutes of the season with that information and blow everyone’s mind. It’ll be awesome and no one will care if they guessed it because it’s Starbuck. She’s part the “trinity”.

    I think Starbuck will return as human though I’d be cool with having her be a hybrid just not a cylon cuz for me what makes that character so awesome is how very human and relatable she is. I hope RDM doesn’t make me have to eat those words. Plus I’m thinking the Starbuck that returns will be different from what we knew of her.

    Whatever happens I’ll third the “she better be alive” comment.

    Awesome cast guys, loved it. Oh and thanks so much for replying and for mentioning both your fave moments. That Adama/Olmos moment, I can imagine, has across the board appreciation and consensus :) … the only thing that surpassed it for me was Katee’s performance, which I know is kinda cheating as it’s not a moment, but I’m totally biased as far as she goes.

    Btw Matt are you going for a Baltar type look cuz you are definitely working it. I think Baltar is sexy, so make of that what you will. And Nat red is so your colour, very Hot indeed.

  8. Adrienne Says:

    Just wanted to say I continue to enjoy your videos. I love your theories about Starbuck. I hope, too, that she will end up being something beyond cylon and human, and some sort of leader. I really don’t want her to end up being a final fiver but, at this point, if it brings her back, then so be it! Love you guys.

  9. Galactica Viper Pilot Says:

    This site is frakkn’ cool!

    Good Hunting Matt & Nat!

  10. Jessica S Says:

    I’ve stumbled upon this site from a BSG group and I must say, I wish I had found it earlier! This was a great cast, very well put together and very well planned. You chose just the right things to comment on about this overwhelming episode.

    What I wanted to comment on was your preview of next Sunday’s episode, The Son Also Rises. I wanted to mention Lee’s interest and support of Zarek when the two first met in Season 1. Zarek was a terrorist and a convict at the time, and had written a book (or was it manuscript? pamphlet?) that Lee had read in college, regardless that it had been banned.

    It seems Lee’s interest in the guilty (at least, those of the guilty that are genius and interesting) is a recurring theme. I find it very easy to imagine him supporting Baltar, even if it causes problems with the president and his father, just as it did with Zarek.

  11. Tootie Says:

    You guys are great.
    I agree with everything you’ve said. Yes, Starbuck is gone, dead, as RDMoore and Katee Sackhoff have made clear, but Kara is not. I loved the episode and am dying to see it again.

    How do you guys get paid for this work you do on this site anyway? (I don’t see any ads) – just curious.

  12. iwick Says:

    I haven’t scanned the forums to see if anyone has caught this yet, but I think the producers and sound editors either gave away a really cool clue and/or just wanted to stick in an easter egg to spur conversation.

    Exactly when Starbuck’s viper blows up, which occurs at exactly -3:20 minutes to go (watching on iTunes), you can clearly hear a cylon voice speak right when the viper explodes. It’s clearly a voice from the first series in the 70’s, and the words are hard to make out. Could it be “by your command??”

    Anyway, I didn’t even catch it the first time until I paused it and wanted to see if there was any special “magic” when the light flashing inside her cockpit started. Then I suddenly heard this clear cylon voice and was amazed.

    Is this the “proof” that Starbuck is a cylon or just a funny gag? In any event, it’s something cool to listen to when you replay that one scene. Worth the $1.99 on iTunes to download it and listen to that one part.

  13. CB2001 Says:

    Matt: Before I begin, I greatly apologize to you should what I say offend you in any way. It is not my intention.

    I disagree with the comment that “you can’t kill off Starbuck” because she’s “one of the holy Trinity” and that she was one of the three that the show was about. The reason why I disagree is because of one thing that should be apparent to a lot of the fans of the show now: The show isn’t the same like any other series, be it a space opera or a medical drama, or a sitcom for that matter. I think the decision to kill of Starbuck only proves what the show has done time and time again, which is to show “this isn’t your typical TV show”. Seeing that Ron Moore is familiar with “space operas” (having to had worked on the “Star Trek” franchise), he would know that a lot of fans would believe that the producers wouldn’t kill off one of the main cast members. And I think that killing off Starbuck is genius.

    Why? Simple: It goes to show how, if this situation were real, everyone is close to biting the bullet. By killing off Starbuck, Moore and Eick are both saying, “Hey, guess what? Just because they’re the main characters doesn’t mean that they can always escape death. Just because they’re the main people doesn’t exclude them from the possibility of meeting their demise sooner or later.” In other words, the producers are going against the norm and making it real. If it had been Adama who had been killed, it would have driven this fact clearly into the minds of all fans. “Guess what, even the good can go out.” The show is drastically different and killing off a main character further proves how different it is.

    And Starbuck isn’t one of three the show centers around. Occasionally, she gets a few episodes in which she is present or is followed. But the series follows all of the human (I’m including the human-Cylon models as well) characters. As far as I am concerned, Adama, Roslin, Apollo, Starbuck, Athena, Boomer, Helo, Tyrol, Cally, Baltar, Caprica Six… The story is about the survival of the human race as a whole (despite how seperate their situations may be). It’s centered on those that were lucky to make it thus far in their own survival, despite who they may be.

    To be honest, it’s not like I dislike Starbuck. I actually did like the character. And I think that she died doing what she did the best, trying to protect the fleet. Granted, it wasn’t as noble as Kat’s death, but Kat’s death was the result of her own selfishness (she chose to sacrifice herself instead of telling Adama the truth before heading out. She had to make herself a hero in the eyes of those around her, instead of owning up for being a liar). Starbuck, however, was more noble. She stated twice in “Lay Down Your Burden, Part 2″ the following: “We do like we always. We fight them til we can’t.” Out of all the enemies and dangers she’s faced, her biggest enemy wasn’t Leoban. It was herself (to which Leoban himself explained in “Flesh and Bone”, when he said, “You think you’re the problem, not the world around you.” She fought herself for so long. In “Maelstrom”, I think she couldn’t fight herself anymore.

    And a lot of fans are always saying, “What about her destiny? She has a frackin’ destiny she needs to fulfil.” My response is this: She already fulfilled it. Her destiny was to get the Arrow of Apollo and deliver it to Roslin, who was to fulfil her destiny in finding Earth. Guess what, she did it. The fact that she was painting the storm was only a signal to her, letting her know that after she fulfilled her destiny, that she was going to die. Roslin’s still fulfilling her destiny. She’s getting the people to Earth. Starbuck’s destiny was minor and she fulfilled it during “Home, Part 2″. The only thing left for her to do was to accept what was going to happen to her. The fact that her drawing looks similar to the Eye of Jupiter is just a means of reminding Starbuck of what was to come.

    Starbuck’s gone ladies and gentlemen. At least she went out peacefully (which I must admit, this is the second one I’ve seen in TV or films that was not only a peaceful one, but a beautiful one at that), not overtly dramatic. BSG continues to go against our expectations. Starbuck’s death was just another one of those things that helps in proving this fact.

    I apologize again, not just to you Matt, but to other fans here, if my comments were offensive. This is, after all, only my opinion and I am in a minority (if not THE minority) that accepts this belief. Thank you very much for your time.

  14. BSGcast Says:

    You’re totally, right, CB2001… Ronald D. Moore has gone to great lengths to ensure the viewers are kept on their toes. Killing off Billy and Kat hardly gives the main characters and jeopardy… but killing of Starbuck helps ensure the show doesn’t get tired and stagnant.

    That being said, RDM also gives his characters’ deaths a significance relative to the significance of their lives. Kat saved a ship, Billy helped end a hostage situation… and Starbuck… well, I believe the significance of her death has yet to be seen. RDM is a hell of a writer and a hell of a showrunner. So I’m expecting at least a little bit more :)

    No offence taken, CB2001, you make some excellent points!

    ~Matt

  15. BSGcast Says:

    Hey Tootie,

    We’re glad you emjoy the show! But to answer your question, we don’t make money for the BSGcast. We do it because we’re gargantuan Basstlestar Galactica fans, and since we do a podcast that DOES make money (www.YourGreekNews.com) and we have all the resources to make a show, we thought we’d spend some extra effort (granted, a bit more effort than we initially planned to) to bring a nice little discussion about BSG to the web for fans like us to enjoy!
    Now if Ronald or David or the Sci-Fi Channel wanted to throw money at us and didn’t mind us occasionally taking them to task or calling bullshit on their work, then I don’t think either of us would complain too loudly ;)

    ~Matt + Nat

  16. BSGcast Says:

    Glad you liked this week’s ‘cast, Lynda! We’re hoping for hybrid, too… but we’ll take Cylon… we’ll take Starback back any way we can get her! It’s good to hear that comment was funny for you too… although I’m sure any infant psychiatrists (if those exist) kind of hate me for it, but, hey…

    And thanks for the Batlar-related compliment, I’ve actually had my hair at this length for a while, but there was a point there in the middle of season 2 where he and I had EXACTLY the same hair cut. It was a good point, in my opinion :)

    ~Matt

  17. V Says:

    Starbuck’s father was a pianist, as we saw in “Valley of Darkness”. This was not an immaculate conception. Of course, they could play it up that he was, say, an “angel” pretending to be human, but it wasn’t a one-night stand affair. In light of that, though, I think you’d be stretching it to say he could be “the Cylon God”. I mean he had a jacket. Which Starbuck took with her at the end of VoD.

    I do admit, though, that taken in a light, some of Starbuck’s mom’s dialogue did open possibilities.

    I have never seen the Original Series (nor do I intend to), but I’ve heard what happened to Starbuck in that one and it raises some theories:

    Basically, in the Original Series at one point they ran into the “Ship of Lights” in which the Beings of Light resided: Count Iblis was a satan-like bad guy who tormented the Fleet, until the Beings of Lights stopped him; he was a fallen member of their race (a la Satan). The Beings of Light have a strict non-intereference policy when it comes to the lower races (Think Ancients from Stargate) but they looked out for them after a fashion, trying to make sure that Iblis never messed with them (again like the Ancients). The Beings of Light do this because they were once like humanity, and feel that one day humanity has the potential to become like them (again, think Ancients on Stargate). It was heavily theorized/implied that the Beings of Light were the REAL Lords of Kobol.

    The original galactica series actually had a woefully bad “sequel”, “Galactica 1980″ (considered so bad that not only is it non-canonical, it is physically painful to watch). Starbuck was only in one episode of it, considered the only good episode: “The Return of Starbuck”. It reveals the ultimate fate of the Original Series’ Starbuck. —–>Essentially, he crashes onto a planet with only a Cylon he fixes for company (a la Hell in the Pacific). One day, however, Starbuck encounters the Beings of Light again, and he *becomes* a Being of Light and mysteriously leaves, never to be seen again. His ultimate fate was thus unresolved because the series ended. But basically he “ascended” (yes, like Daniel Jackson on Stargate).

    Anyway, I think you know that in a deleted scene in KLG I Elosha explained that humans left Kobol because a war started amongst the Lords of Kobol when one “Jealous God” sought to be elevated up above all the others: the running theory is that the Jealous God is the Cylon God. The “Lords of Kobol” are in fact typical scifi “God-like aliens” (like the Prophets from Deep Space Nine or Ancients from Stargate). They’ve already proved that Head-Six isn’t a hallucination (in Home, Part II) and the theory goes that we’ll find out that she’s actually an “Angel of God” as she claims….in the sense that she’s a metaphysical alien. These “Re-imagined” Beings of Light, the good ones and the bad ones, have been manipulating things for quite some time.

    When Starbuck “died” she basically Ascended (exactly like Daniel Jackson) to become one with the Beings of Light.

    That’s the theory, anyways.

    Pleased to meet you/
    hope you guessed my name/
    but what’s puzzling you/
    is the nature of my game.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-vkSO6mS9E

  18. ronnie Says:

    Whoa…I am just so impressed with BSGCast. Where do you guys find the time to do this? Is the set you two are on all green screen/ computer generated? Is Scifi channel sponsoring you two? I think this is great because I don’t have a television. I watch every episode over the internet. So, I generally see the new Sunday night episodes 2 or 3 days later. However, on the rare moments that full episode are not uploaded…I turn to BSGCast. You production values, commentary and personalities are fantastic! Keep up the awesome work. I need this!

  19. BSGcast Says:

    Good theory, V! RDM has been known to express the smallest amount of homage to the original series, while still keeping perfectly distinct, and for that reason we’re definitely on board with the possibility of a “being of lights” parallel!

    And thanks for the kind words, Ronnie. But no, we’re not sponsored. Actually, we run another vlog called YourGreekNews.com that pays for us to keep entertaining ourselves on the greenscreen, doing a show that’s aimed at our fellow BSG fans! Of course, if Sci-Fi tried to throw money at us, we’d have a hard time saying no… but we do enjoy our freedom to skewer a bad executive call when it happens on the show… but those are pretty rare…

  20. libRLmeh Says:

    I really hope it isn’t a “being of lights” parallel… too deus ex machina for me. I thought it detracted from the original series, and would do likewise for the new one. Some things are better left unexplained. I’d rather that most of the signs, portents, dreams, disjointed Cylon-hybrid musings, and drug-induced Oracle prognostications retain their mystical elements, chalking it up to Fate (let Faith remain a manifestation of the Gods, not vice versa).

    Will Starbuck come back? If she’s one of the Final Five, then she probably downloaded into the heavy raider, and Leoben will make sure she has a body to resurrect into after they get her data back to a basestar/res-ship. Between her ovary and whatever else they sampled off her the two times they had her, there’s plenty of material for them to clone her from. Then when/if they do resurrect her, she’ll start to learn her true nature… and probably kill a bunch of cylons anyway, steal a ship, and accidentally find Earth.

    Mike from Hungary suggested that the cylons already know where Earth is, but I remember Cobel arguing for a full-out assault on the Galactica during the stand-off with the Temple of the Eye, stating that it wouldn’t matter if the humans nuked the temple or not… they would still find Earth if it took 5 days or 5000 years.

  21. Bishomti Says:

    OK,
    If Starbuck is a Cylon after all….I want Tigh to be a Cylon to…

    I want to see Tigh wake in a resurrection tub covered in goo and starbuck’s there with a bottle of booze to ease the transition…

    all while Tigh says something like, “Frak just my luck you had to be a Cylon too…at least you brought booze to this class reunion…”

  22. Geoara Says:

    Hi Guys,

    Great site!

    Amidst all the theories here regarding Starbucks death, has anyone entertained the thought that the Cylon will use her DNA from the harvested ovary to “incarnate” an all new Starbuck?
    Or is this just way too out there, or just simple?!

    It just seems we’ve all overlooked that “small” detail…

  23. sinewav Says:

    While I appreciate all the discussion on the fate of Starbuck this episode has provoked, I’m surprised not as many people are commenting on the episode itself on its merits alone and not in terms of the greater story arc. Coming from the point of view of someone who has NO idea what the point of this episode was what in the world are we supposed to think at the end of Maelstorm!?

    While I appreciate Ron’s vision for BSG I feel the narrative here is so disjointed from everything else that not only are we in the dark of what happened, we have no real or satisfying conclusion to this episode. While Adama’s final reaction was great & Ron Moore’s insisting that all will be explained what about now? Why dangle Starbuck’s vision all mid season & not to explain it at ALL in the end? I have no problem scratching my head at the end of a BSG episode, but this is ridiculous. I do feel for Starbuck’s passing in the end, I just wish there was more meaning to it here & now, this leaves us feeling empty.

  24. libRLmeh Says:

    I had been hoping that Katie would come back as Cylon-buck sometime next season, and that her departure was to cover for a pregnancy or some such personal matter for the actress (given the time frame of when her last scenes wrapped vs. the summer shooting schedule), but her Wikipedia page now lists her as snagging the role as the next Bionic Woman. Damn! Still, it’s hard to imagine where her character would have gone if she hadn’t bit it. Interestingly, someone previously mentioned they heard a synthesized cylon “by your command” on the audiotrack at the moment her ship exploded. It registered with me, but then I forgot it until I read about it on here, then I clearly heard it when I went back and rewatched it. Either it’s hinting she’ll be back as a cylon (with a different actress, presumably), or RDM was hinting that this was what Katie herself wanted… out of the show.

  25. MotherFraker Says:

    Is it just me or is the little figurine that Starbuck gave Adama also Galactica’s emblem? You know– the big round one that you see all over the ship and on everyone’s uniforms?

  26. Stroogie Says:

    >>
    Sinewav said:
    I’m surprised not as many people are commenting on the episode itself on its merits alone and not in terms of the greater story arc. Coming from the point of view of someone who has NO idea what the point of this episode was what in the world are we supposed to think at the end of Maelstorm!?
    >>
    Sinewav makes an insightful point. If you watch the episode on its own, with no spoiler preknowledge that Starbuck might die (like I, Captain Spoiler-Avoider, did), her fate really seems ambiguous. If you watch “The Passage” in the same way, it’s pretty obvious by about halfway through the episode that Kat might have to sacrifice herself to complete the mission. That knowledge doesn’t detract from the enjoyment of the episode though, it just makes the conclusion feel satisfying and inevitable.

    In “Maelstrom”, the story seemed to be leading us to the moment when Starbuck would overcome her past, face her fear, cross a threshold, and discover her destiny. All signs point this way: the Aurora figurine, not-Leoban’s comment about the place between life and death (which is where we know De’Anna saw the Five), Starbuck’s mother trying to prepare her for something special. By the time I reached the end of the episode, I was ready to see what Starbuck was going to experience as she headed into the maelstrom. Then her ship blew up.

    Afterwards, I assumed Katee Sackhoff would be absent from the show for a few episodes, maybe even several episodes into next season just to make it hurt, and then her fate and her destiny would be revealed. Then I got online and read all sorts of postings about how this was Katee’s last episode of the season, the cast and crew would miss her, fans were in grief over her loss, etc., etc. And I thought, huh?

    I know I’m not the first one to comment that Kara Thrace’s Special Destiny can’t possibly have been to committ suicide. I’m also aware that on BSG, the policy is that No One Is Safe. But the story, both for the episode and the series at large, doesn’t make sense if Starbuck has simply punched out on the Big Time Clock. On the podcast, RDM makes some half-hearted-sounding attempt to explain that Kara has always been afraid of death and that facing it was her last fear and her mother was trying to steel her for that all her life, but in the end no matter how you dress it up, it comes down to: she killed herself. Depriving the fleet of its best pilot in a time of deep stress and crisis just so you can face death is not heroic, and the story doesn’t work if that’s what RDM is saying her destiny was.

    On the other hand, BSG doesn’t pull punches. Last year when everyone was speculating that “One Year Later” was all a dream or an alternate universe, I knew it wasn’t so. RDM and crew really had kicked us forward a real year because that’s the ballsy kind of thing they do. So while in sci-fi/fantasy at large, “No one dies, they just smell like an alternate timeline,” in BSG I think we can count on Starbuck’s death being real. She didn’t eject, she didn’t get beamed out, she didn’t get caught by the Cylon Raider. And maybe her destiny was to leave the fleet at a crucial point so that those she left behind would be forced to adapt and reevaluate who they were and what they’re doing. I’m thinking of Apollo and Anders in particular, but everyone has to stand a little taller on their own now without their ace around; maybe they’ll all be better for it in the end. That said, I think there are legitimate ways in the BSG universe to bring someone back from the dead in some form, even without Cylon resurrection.

    Mainly, I’m thinking what I still thought two seconds after Starbuck’s ship exploded–that she had to die, really die, to cross the threshold to the Final Five or wherever it is she was destined to go, and once she has done what she needs to do there, she’ll return in some form to the fleet. RDM and David Eick both said this episode would take Starbuck through a “profound transformation”. That can be a coy euphemism for death, or it could hint at something they can’t fully reveal yet. As straightforward as they usually are, I think the producers are being tricky with us on this one, being purposefully vague both before and after the event. Yes, Katee Sackhoff’s name is out of the credits. But for this to work, Starbuck’s loss has to be truly felt. BSG is all about real human emotion, and as much as I believe we’ll see her again, I am still heartbroken by Edward James Olmos and Jamie Bamber’s performances. The loss is real. Whether it’s permanent or not remains to be seen.

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  28. Ivana Says:

    libRLmeh: “Mike from Hungary suggested that the cylons already know where Earth is, but I remember Cobel arguing for a full-out assault on the Galactica during the stand-off with the Temple of the Eye, stating that it wouldn’t matter if the humans nuked the temple or not… they would still find Earth if it took 5 days or 5000 years.”

    But does Cavil even care if they find Earth? We don’t know why they are searching for Earth…they say they want a new beginning. Why not stay in their home world or the colonies? Why did they want to create a human/Cylon hybrid? We were told it was because they wanted to really “procreate” as God said, and they were unsuccessful in reproducing with each other. So they have been mostly governed by religious reasons. Even the genocide had a religious reason, according to Leoben and Sharon.

    But consider this: Cavil is an atheist, the only atheist among the known modesl. He doesn’t believe in God, gods, or all that mystical crap that means so much to Leoben, D’Anna and others. (I’m not saying it’s really crap, just that it’s crap from his POV.) Unlike most of the others, does not yearn to know Love. Why would he care about humans at all? I think the two Cavils who said in LDYB2 that Cylons should just be machines, and that humans and Cylons should leave each other alone, really meant it. However, I think Cavils would still rather destroy humans, if they could: it would remove a possible future danger, because humans might want revenge one day, and besides, if they got rid of humans, it would stop the other Cylons from wanting to make hybrids or getting ‘contaminated’ with too much human contact. I’m sure he also wanted the New Caprica experiment to fail from the beginning (that’s why he tortured Tigh and then let him go and manipulated Ellen; an enraged Cylon-hater and extremist like Tigh at the head of the Resistance would certainly help Cavil’s goal). Being an atheist who believes Cylons are and should just be machines, Cavil probably doesn’t care for procreation, the human/Cylon hybrid experiments, and why should he care about Earth? Or about the Final Five? The other Cylons probably decided to box Number Three (’D'Anna’) models because they started to ignore the majority decisions (something unthinikable inthe Cylon society), but I think Cavil (who probably instigated the boxing in the first place) did it because he wanted to put a stop to the search for the Final Five, God and the mystical reasons behind it all, which only leads Cylons away from being machines as he thinks they should.

    Oh,and the Cylons don’t know where Earth is. Why did they need Baltar to help them find it in the first place?

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