I just watched Three’s vision in the Temple of Five today, and she looks at each of the Final Five in the face, and then stops and lingers her gaze on one particular person. Now, this goes along with the theme that the four and the final cylon are a bit seperate. So more like Final Four and Final One kindo thing. Anyways, as she stares at what I believe is the Final Cylon in that vision in the Opera House, she says “I’m so sorry, I didnt know” . Who has she met and done something bad to, that should would want to apologize for? Well, two people really come to mind. Bull Dog (I think that was his callsign, the black pilot who has flown the Stealth ship on black ops mission Adama was on). Because D’anna was somewhat torturing the guy while he was in his cell. And he doesnt fit the rest of the Hybrid Prophecy. The other person is of course, Baltar, who Three fully tortured. I cant see her saying “I’m so sorry” to Gaeta, or Adama, or Roslin, or Kara. She has done nothing harmful to these people, any more than she has done in general to the entire human fleet. However, to Baltar she can say sorry, because she bloody tortured the guy after all! ”

It would really be extremely disappointing if Baltar is a Cylon, because 1) it would be totally anti-climatic, and 2) it would only spoil the character and so many of the storylines (Baltar/6 human/Cylon relationship, the protectors/substitute parents of Hera – the human/Cylon hybrid) while adding nothing to the story or character. What dramatic possibility would you get from making Baltar a Cylon? None at all.

As for D’Anna in the Temple of Five: D’Anna might have been apologizing to someone she or the Cylons have done something wrong to (Anders – because she tried to kill him, or Tigh because of the eye); I don’t think she would need to apologize so much to Baltar, since they were, erm, on good terms already, don’t you think so? But in fact, I don’t know why people even assume she was apologizing for something WRONG she had DONE to someone. She might have just been saying “I’m sorry for not showing you respect, I had no idea you were such a special person.” This could have been anyone she knew well and used to see on a regular basis, on New Caprica maybe…Gaeta, for instance. Maybe eveb Zarek.

But one thing is certain: she was totally SURPRISED to see that person there. It was someone she would have NEVER EXPECTED to be a Final Fiver. The thought had never even entered her mind.

D’Anna: YOU?!.. Forgive me, I had no idea!

For this reason, this scene is one of the best proofs that BALTAR CANNOT BE A CYLON. He would have been the last person D’Anna would be surprised to see there – because he had already asked her if she had seen him while she was in the space between life and death, and that he wanted to know if he was a Cylon. She told him she didn’t know. So, she definitely HAD THOUGHT about the possibility of him being a Cylon. No room for such surprise.

Anyone else notice this?

Saul TY. He was tortured, lost an eye…..Just because it was the last face she looked at doesnt mean it was the final cylon.

She shot Kara because she obviously suspected her of being a cylon or brainwashed by the cylons. She has to protect herself and her people. She made it clear why she can’t trust her with the fate of the fleet – she just can’t because it isn’t a sure thing! And Adama agrees with her. You shouldn’t hate her, you should respect her…(go back and rewatch Season 4 ep 1 from this perspective and you can’t see Kara any other way…)

Well, Tootie, perhaps because the writing and Mary’s performance are so damn good that there’s a degree of ambiguity there. I agree with you that from Roslin’s perspective everything she does and says is utterly convincing. But t’s not a ’sure thing’ that Roslin isn’t a Chamalla-and-Diloxin addled paranoid autocrat with a messiah complex — and form for ignoring people who don’t tell her what she wants to hear and damn the consequences — who is clinging to her delusions because (as Adama says) if she’s not the “dying leader” foretold in the scrolls of Pythia her death and dying is as meaningless as everyone else’s.

Oh, and has Roslin told anyone else that she’s having shared ‘projections’ with Athena and Cap-Six. Or is she still rational enough to know that would sure look like she’s been mind-fraked by the Cylons if she isn’t one herself.