Thanks on behalf of Treehugger, because it’s Treehugger’s theory about the opera house prophesy, but I did add that bit about Baltar and Caprica. Yes, I think Caprica and Baltar will reunite somehow, in making peace or in love or both.

It was very interesting to me that you immediately picked up on the point that Cylons were created on Kobol as one of the “weakest links” in the theory. Actually, I completely agree with you and it was NOT part of my original theory. It makes much more sense – to me (and you) – that Cylons would be created by Humans AFTER they left Kobol and founded the Twelve Colonies, and here’s why…

The cataclysm on Kobol was devastating enough to render the entire planet uninhabitale. Presumably, the toll on the inhabitants was equally terrible. To make matters worse, the tribes were “fractured” from one cooperative civilization on Kobol into thirteen independent civilizations – each on their own planet.

Having to re-build their entire civilization from scratch, with a greatly reduced population and limited resources, was a “Herculean” task. It would be reasonable to conclude that the scars from the war on Kobol were slow to heal. Kobol was a paradise lost and the prospect of beginning anew must have seemed nearly impossible. The only positive effect of having the human race split into twelve, separate but proximate colonies, was competition. Each colony realized that if one became more dominant than the others, the weaker colonies would be subject to domination and possible conquest. Their disposition sparked an acute drive toward constant innovation and invention across the colonies. Their collective love of technology was unbounded and fuelled an intrasteller “Cold War” that would last for several generations.

Understandably, this intense competition created critical labor shortages across the Colonies that was so severe, it threatened their continued economic growth. There simply were not enough people to fill all of the jobs that were required to keep the Colonial economies moving. The need was the greatest for labor intensive positions that were monotonous or dangerous. The solution was simple – build a cybernetic humanoid that could be mass replicated and programmed to perform a multitude of functions. They were called Cylons. (this may not exactly mesh with the known backstory for “Caprica”, but it is a more logical – and natural – evolutionary explanation for the creation of Cylons by Humans on the Twelve Colonies). This solved the labor shortage, but simultaneously created a massive slave population.

We know that it wasn’t until the First Cylon War that the Twelve Tribes of Kobol first united together to fight the Cylon threat and signed the Articles of Colonization. This is a critical distinction for me because it strongly suggests that the Twelve Tribes were VERY COMPETITIVE and antagonistic against each other for most of their 2,000 year recorded history. It took a common enemy – powerful enough to threaten their very existence – to finally bring all Twelve Tribes together in unity.

So far, it all seems to make great sense in a very practical – and natural – way, right? Now here comes the problem…

In “Sometimes a Great Notion” (SaGN) we learn that ALL of the inhabitants on the “Earth” founded by the Thirteenth Tribe are Cylons – both mechanical and humanoid. If we accept the fact that this planet was truly founded by the ACTUAL Thirteenth Tribe that left Kobol in search of Earth after the Great Cataclysm – and the discovered remains are all Cylon – we must also accept that their original ancestors were all Cylons as well. Consequently, Cylons had to exist on Kobol in order for them to make up the total population of the Thirteenth Tribe who populated their “Earth”. For this reason, I “tweaked” my theory – against my original speculation – to conform to the events we learned in “SaGN.”

As a quick aside: This is nearly the same situation the humanoid Cylons are now creating themselves with a “servant class” of mechanical Centurions and Raiders. Class warfare may prove be the same root cause of why the Thriteenth Tribe’s – all Cylon – planet Earth destroyed itself. I guess Cylons aren’t any better at learning from their past mistakes than we are (the apple didn’t fall far from the tree)

Well, we’ll learn more tonight…I am counting on hearing the “truth” behind Kara Thrace…

I was hoping to see Baltar and Caprica get together again… and I have a feeling that if what you say is true, then they WILL get back together again. And why not? Shouldn’t Hera be “THEIR” child? It’s as though they forgot about each other entirely. You don’t just brush someone out of your life, not in such a situation.

Hopefully we’ll see some interaction between Baltar and Caprica again.

Still some details that could be tweaked, but I definitely like the idea of humans originating on a “real” Earth, a catacysim causing them to leave for Kobol, then them creating the “Final Five-type” cylons, the war ensuing because of the jealous lord of kobol (head of the Cylons), and the 13th and 12 splitting and heading their separate ways across the cosmos.

It sort of makes sense that the Cylon believe in a One True God, as in, the 13th Lord of Kobol only, and not the other 12 or however many other Lords there were.

Though some things are iffy even about this theory. Why would humans make a Cylon race on Kobol, when more than likely their “Earth” was devasted by a war with cylons that rebelled.

I still think that if RDM really wants to make an impact on the audience of THIS world, in our own real lives, then he needs to link it to our world as much as possible.

We are much closer to cloning human beings than creating cybernetic organisms or robots.

I have a feeling that the people on Kobol who created the Cylons are actually Clones who left the homeworld of the humans after a war with them. and there were 12 “models” of clones that made it to Kobol, and hence the 12 Lords of Kobol.

The cloning would explain “organic memory transfer” and it’s possible the 13th Tribe was a tribe of human clones. Now whether the clones were created on Kobol or on the previous homworld before Kobol, not really sure.

But to me it makes more sense to gradually progress from humans to clones to Final Five cylons who helped the Centurions made by the humans evolve into Skinjobs (Cylons) and then have the lines mix to create a race of hybrids and to eventually forget all distinction and call the new race “humans” once again…

Also, FYI, there’s this new show of Fox called Dollhouse and so far I’ve seen two Battlestar Galactica actors on it! Helo and Romo were on last weeks episode. Just thought it was cool to see these actors who we all totally respect now moving on to other roles.

Ultimatly this episode, showed a fleet full of people and cylons, who are unsure as to the path they should take, trying to integrate their societies, in the midst of political unrest, as the government and military leaders face personal crisis amongst those who have lost their identity. They have yet to decide, divide and fall or unite and stand.

There is loads of stuff on various theories i have, but i have no time at the moment. maybe tommorow after the next episode.

Yeah Sam said, “It’s okay, I’m here with you.” That would be awesome for Sam’s purpose to be a guide to the other side for those who depart.