BSGcast: Webisodes 1-5 Review
We’ve not just got a review of the first 5 “Face of the Enemy” Webisodes coming your way, but also some news about a very cool contest from Auction Network that will get you inside the Propworx Battlestar Galactica Auction and be a part of Sci-Fi history!
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December 15th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Haven’t seen the second one yet, but I actually really enjoyed the first one. Seeing Gaeta without his leg, and seeing more of his personal life, and the different Sharons, and seeing more Tigh! I liked all of that. Even though we’ve had this story before, but whatever, it has a twist. What’s the twist, you may ask? GAETA!
BTW, will you guys have a video review of the webisodes after each new one airs? Like, will you post a video review under this entry?
December 15th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Oooookay. I’ve got some thoughts…..the first Webisode has Sharon (aka “Athena” or “Boomer” or whatever) helping Gaeta up onto the ship as he stumbles, but just before she does, she casts him a look like, “What are you doing? Don’t blow it.” I’ve read some comments on the scifi.com forum and some people stated that they noticed and thought pretty much the same thing. So what was *that* about? Was that an intentional thing for us to see, even if it wasn’t blatantly obvious? Also, in the second Webisode, Sharon keeps staring intently at Gaeta and then asks him if he recognized her? Huh? That’s also got me curious and wondering where the frak they are going with this. Any thoughts?
December 16th, 2008 at 3:13 am
TRON82: Beware potential spoilers… I saw an article in which Grace Park was quoted as saying that Gaeta had had a relationship with one of the Eights while on New Caprica. I think that’s what the looks are about. I think the “Sweet Eight” (as Jane Espensen refers to her as) is the Eight that Gaeta had the relationship with. This would explain her asking him if he recognises her. Personally, I find it a little rediculous. So there’s been a buzz for ages now that Gaeta was gay and the writers and producers finally make the decision to show that part of Gaeta’s character, but then what do they do? Throw a relationship with a “woman” into the mix. The big question is why? Okay, so the writers want there to be some sort of conflict in this Raptor situation. Fair enough. A relationship with a Cylon would certainly do this. Now at this particular point in time they’re limited to the Cylon models that they can use (2, 3, 6 or
and only one of them is male. Leoben doesn’t strike me as being particularly interested in anyone but Kara, so that just leaves the girls. Again, fair enough, but why an Eight? Out of the three potential models she would seem like the least likely. At the point in time that this relationship was supposed to have occurred, Gaeta’s only exposure to the Eights was Boomer shooting Adama and Athena being locked up in the brig. What on Earth (or New Caprica as the case may be) would possess Gaeta to think he could trust an Eight? He hadn’t had any personally negative interactions with the Sixes or Threes so wouldn’t one of them have mae more sense?
Personally I think it’s a huge cop-out on the part of the writers and producers to on the one hand show Gaeta as gay (after never showing a male character in a same-sex relationship) and then on the other giving him an ex-girlfriend. Why not just let him be gay?
Note to the writers: I always had a bit of personal fantasy about Gaeta and one of the Dorals. I think this would have worked well as Gaeta’s big secret that caused him to stab Baltar (”Butterfingers!”). While I understand that at this point in the story there are limitations on which Cylons could be used, it could have been done through a good old-fashioned flashback, with one of the Eights being the only other person aboard who knew about the relationship, whose presence on the Raptor therefore caused conflict. It would have just made so much more sense given the revelation about his relationship with Hoshi – and been way hotter! Thumbs up for Butterfingers finally getting a boyfriend. Thumbs down for him being saddled wiith a Cylon ex-girlfriend…
December 16th, 2008 at 3:14 am
That wasn’t supposed to be a smily face by the way, it was supposed to be an 8. Don’t know how that happened… Call me Butterfingers…
December 16th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
were is Adama, is he KIA, MIA or something. Every decision goes through Tigh. A cylon leading the fleet!?
December 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Well, it could be during the time that Adama was waiting in a raptor for Rosilyn and so Tigh had command of the Battlestar. And also maybe they made it Eights because Grace park was willing to do the webisodes and they couldn’t get the other actors.
December 16th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
anyone have a link to the first webisode? Thanks!
December 16th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
twelvecolonies: Thanks for the feedback!
And yeah, I’m *really* hoping these webisodes tie up some things for us. I also would like to know just what it was that Gaeta “whispered” to Baltar during that very intense, albeit ambiguous scene. I also don’t understand either why the writers would “out” Gaeta and then suddenly shove him back in the closet with a female love interest. The mind reels. Already I have seen some serious problems with consistency and continuity. Not to be too nitpicky or anything…..;)
December 16th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
@ Lovejoy…nah the webisodes happen 6-9 days after arrival at Earth. So it still stands as a very good question…where is the Admiral? Perhaps it was just Saul’s watch at that moment? As for everyone bending their brains about Gaeta being with Hoshi yet having an ex girlfriend…well, anyone ever hear of someone called a bi-sexual?
I mean it’s no big deal…if the writers are gonna open a can of taboo then why not do it all the way and tear down all the wall instead of just half of it.
I personally don’t think it’s Boomer as an ex girlfriend so much as it is old friend period. no matter what the connection ends up being let’s not read too much into it, eh?
December 16th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
I’ve decided I’m not watching these webisodes until there are at least four of them, just so I feel like I’m getting some fulfilling content.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Scifi.com won’t let me view them as I am in Canada (idiots!) but I found the first one on Youtube.
More than the webisodes, I’d like to talk about the previews (which are viewable on scifi.com)…Roslin is really scaring me. Sounds like Zarek has a faction that wants to kill all the cylons and who knows what is wrong with Roslin (seems absent from president’s office)…Matt and Nat can we start a strand on the previews???
December 17th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
TRON82, you wrote “I also would like to know just what it was that Gaeta “whispered” to Baltar during that very intense, albeit ambiguous scene” – that was to be a whole plot arc that was disregarded, something in which Gaeta had helped out with some questionable things that were going to be the main case against Baltar – a situation with the Sagitarons that ‘The Woman King’ was going to serve as a foundation to. It ended up being too cumbersome and worthless, so they dropped it. They might pick up that thread again, say that Gaeta’s relationship with the 8 was what was whispered by Baltar, but for all intents and purposes, I think that story arc ended with the Sagiteron arc.
Regarding time after Earth – Spoiler Alert – EJO dropped a bombshell during the videos that they couldn’t stay at Earth because of its devastation. I would have guessed that this would have been sooner than 6-9 days past finding earth, but sure, why not. The story line will likely tie into episodes 4, 5 or 6.
Regarding Gaeta’s sexuality, the developing story arc with his boyfriend, and the hinted at stuff with an 8, I think we’re going to get an interestingly convoluted love trianglation. My guess: Gaeta fell for an 8 on New Caprica – nothing else seems to account for the things developing between him and the 8. @ Adam – BSG writers never do anything half-baked. I doubt that Gaeta just had personal conversations with the 8 over coffee – that just doesn’t seem edgy enough for them. However, unfortunately, this does seem headed in the direction of “everyone loves Sharron” – Gaeta, Tyrol, Helo.
Adam – not reading too much into it is important, but I tried to not do that after webisode 1, but now after webisode 2, it looks like Gaeta’s sexuality will be one of the major components of this overal story arc. I wish it weren’t but no big deal. We’ll learn a lot more for sure by the time the time webisodes 3 and 4 come along.
Webisode 3 just showed up on hulu. Looks like we’re about to have a fight over who killed the cylon, who hates the cylon more. So much for not exerting ourselves. Technically speaking, the only person who could have stripped that plires would have been the mechanic, who himself made disparaging remarks about the ’skinjobs’ as they walked up to the raptor. It looks like we’re going to have a michrochosm of the fleet’s tensions here. It looks like Gaeta’s going to need to step up as a defender of the 8, otherwise she’s going to be awfully alone on a hostile raptor.
Regarding 4.5 – this bad boy is getting darker and darker… We’re going to have some memories of the Final 4 from earth apparently – I think that this’ll end the hypotheses that they were all born on the colonies as cylons with their genes being kept in the human stock. I think their memories will reveal what it was happened to Earth, why it was destroyed. Otherwise, the hoplessness Adama staved off in the miniseries with hope in earth is going to set in, and the fleet’ll start ripping itself limb from limb. I think that 4.22 or whatever episode will be the last will have the Galactica destroyed, ~10k humans and all 12 models of cylons stuck on some planet without much technology, and then a new civilization will be built. Just a hunch.
When it’s done, I’m going to miss this show.
To all – it’s good to be back. Matt and Nat – thanks for opening up the string.
Cheers all!
December 18th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I suppose that it is left to our imaginations what the 8 who recognized Gaeta might have tried to initiate over on the Zephyr…
I guess that would have happened in any normal TV show, but the BSG writers so twisted that this must be their equivalent to passionate infidelity while on vacation. Hoschi will probably burst into the suite room just as Gaeta decides he has the hots for the 8 again – awkward…
In all seriousness, at the beginning of Webisode 1, we saw Gaeta covered with blood, Sharon smiling, Sharon’s hand being cut open and having some cable inserted into it. She’s probably going to need to do some calculations for the jump, hence cutting her hand open. However, it remains possible that more people will die in this series, and be another source for blood on Gaeta’s hands. However, I’m pretty sure Gaeta was too calm in those scenes for that to have been anyone’s blood but the 8’s.
December 18th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Well, it seems that eight wasn’t a love interest so much as a collaborator back on New Caprica. There being a cylon-killer on board might account for some of the violence that will apparently insue. Heck, this new eight might even be the killer. Maybe she wants everyone else dead so she can sneak Felix away to some cozy bungalo in the stars. To soon to tell, I guess, but I’ll just add my thoughts that this was just about the least surprising outing ever. And Hoshi isn’t that big a surprise either! It seems plausible, albeit contrived. Perhaps this is an olive branch to the people who were angry that the previous outting on BSG was of a dictatorial madwoman.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Hey folks, anyone that’s in Canada and having issues watching can link to my name and watch the webisodes at BSG Pilots.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
@ Jinx – good point about the collaborator bit. I wasn’t sure what was going on in that scene, but your explanation makes sense. There’s more to be known though, but I can wait for that.
December 19th, 2008 at 12:12 am
At this point I’m hoping that Gaeta *isn’t* the final Cylon, just to make things more interesting.
The most interesting thing so far is the idea that some of the Cylons were helping with the resistance effort. Not terribly surprising (we already know they weren’t all convinced about it in the first place), but I’m wondering why individuals would rebel against the rest of their model and how they would get away with it.
December 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hello!
I am very glad Gaeta gets his own story. He is one of my favorites, just after Baltar. From the last Know the Truth Promo I saw, Lampkin is under arrest or something. hmmm. I wonder what that means. Maybe he avenged his cat.
About the non Earth-chatter you were refering to Matt. You know…Earth is just not that important. I foresee the first 2-3 episodes to be about Earth . We will then move on to something else and totally forget there was an Earth.
About the Frak Party. So, 3 hour Cocktails each day, COUNT…ME…IN! Just so you all know, i call dibs on Apollo’s viper. “I am going to have to move some money around. Looks like the charity I like to work with is going to have to take a hit. “
December 19th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Hey Matt ‘n Nat – is discussion of the content on http://www.youwillknowthetruth.com fair game here, or is that getting off topic? I looked at the scifi boards for this and wasn’t impressed with the thinking there, though a couple posts were interesting. Should a string get started up to talk about that and other pre-season-4.5 material, and let this just be about the webisodes?
All this interesting material… and I only started noticing it half a week ago… dang I’m getting excited for this – they’re playing their digital world cards very intelligently this time for sure.
December 20th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Et tu, Gaeta? We’ll see……
I’ve been reading a lot of feedback on the scifi.com message boards and much has been said, of course, about the identity of the FC. Because of the webisodes as well as the recently posted “clue” on youwillknowthetruth.com, Gaeta is apparently looking awfully “suspicious”. I honestly don’t think that Gaeta is the FC. BUT, I won’t be too disappointed if he turns out to be since a lot of crap has happened to Gaeta and so much would make sense–his guilt over whatever it is he did on New Caprica; his secretly helping out the Resistance would show his need for redemption; the suffering he feels due to losing his leg, yada, yada, yada. (By the by, isn’t SOMEBODY going to make Anders own up to what he did?! He shot a fellow officer for pete’s sake! His butt should’ve been thrown in the brig. I guess the writers didn’t have time to give Anders the spanking he deserved). I digress.
RDM could be frakking with all of our minds by being blatantly obvious about the identity of the FC, or he could be frakking with our minds by getting us to think one way and then shocking the frak out of us when we least expect it. Gaeta could simply be a cleverly scripted diversion. Still, it’s interesting to think about how some things would make sense and certainly fit, you know? Gaeta not being a “main” character, could indicate how he could easily be the one in the shadows pulling the strings. And let’s not forget his key position in the colonial fleet. But all that being said, that’s not what has gnawed at the back of my reeling mind….
In “Revelations”, (I believe it was that episode if memory serves me) Anders tells Tigh, Tory and Tyrol
something apparently significant, at least to him: “He sings.” Yes, Gaeta DID sing. And for SOME STRANGE
REASON, this was impactful to Anders. The camera closed in on all of their confused faces during that scene.
WHY?
Why was the fact that Gaeta was “singing” so significant? Where is RDM going with this?
And it would seem that MUSIC has a lot to do with this series. After all, we have an opera house, a Bob Dylan song, and a singing Gaeta. What the frak.
Any thoughts?
December 20th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Well, Gaeta doesn’t pass the test for FC because he’s in the fleet. D’anna was clear that the 5th was not in the fleet.
Also, one of the previews for 4.5 has the words “Go back where you came from” coming over the speakers in the CIC. Of course it could be one of ten different things, but a pretty simple interpretation says that there are survivors on Earth that don’t want anything to do with this new appearance of people. The 5th Cylon could be this person. The clawing for redemption could have to do with the 5th somehow being involved in the destruction of Earth somehow – the references to the other four remembering things could play into this as well.
Gaeta’s singing – maybe it’ll come up again. Why not. However, I think it’s plausible that it was simply a novelty for that particular episode – Roslin also commented upon it. If the singing theme is going anywhere, I’m going to need some new reference to it to have anything to go on. However, the opera house will need to be parsed through, as will the song of the 4 cyclons.
On a non-music level, the head characters will need to be explained, as will the cylon God, it’s relationship to the 12 Colonial gods, the source of Roslin’s visions, and all the increddibly low probability events that have happened: finding the temple of the 5, finding New Caprica, the conveniently timed supernova, etc. They can ignore some of these I guess, but most should be tied up.
Are the contents of http://www.youwillknowthetruth.com fair game here? Or should a new string be put up? Matt ‘n Nat?
December 21st, 2008 at 12:31 am
@Tron: The point is that everyone, including Gaita, has a destiny. He will obviously play an important role in the cycle. I dunno if he’s the fifth, honestly. The beauty of this show is that it’s got you jumping every which way all the time. The truth site, for example, implicated Roslin IMO for a time, before Gaita. He that Believeth implicated Kara. Six of One implicated Baltar. And so on. Personally, I hope it’s some random dude that we’ve seen for only a brief scene or two. Like Zach or something. Or Zarek – he would make a good one (the cycle of time refrence directly regarding the old vs new series). Also Billy, because I really miss him.
It seems that I’m the only one not really interested in the fifth anymore. I’m more curious about all of the other questions, such as the truth of the opera house and the significance of the Maelstrom.
December 21st, 2008 at 12:32 am
Sorry, the Mandala. xD
December 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am
I keep going back and forth on who I think the FC is, which is of course the beauty of this show (and the absolute TORTURE of it too). Right now, I guess I’m leaning toward Gaeta, if only because he fits the criteria we know of (he’s been on the show since the beginning and interviews have said that the final Cylon has been known since quite earlier, even if the Final Four weren’t) and because he obviously has been getting more focus in the latest episodes.
Also, as for everyone getting upset about Gaeta being outed and then given a female love interest…has no one heard of bisexuality? I mean, really…just because he swings one way doesn’t mean he can’t swing the other too. I definitely am interested in seeing more of Sweet Eight, she’s an interesting character. The Eight models seem to have a subversive streak in them (we have at least Athena and possibly Sweet choosing to support humanity over the Cylons, and Boomer of course went against her model in the civil war and has also, at times, been a humanity supporter).
December 21st, 2008 at 11:21 am
As D’anna would say, they support humanity until they see something shiny.
December 21st, 2008 at 11:51 am
By the by, I keep installing Quicktime addons, but nothing is helping. Still can’t see the last entry’s video. Anybody know exactly what codec is required to view it?
December 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
So where are these webisodes anyways?
December 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 am
The webisodes can be found at this website. It’s fully legit too: http://www.hulu.com/battlestar-galactica
Gaeta can’t be the FC. He was in the fleet when D’Anna had said he was not in the fleet. D’Anna actually interviewed him during her introductory episode.
Tron: I see where you’re coming from in the music department. However, I think we’re going to need some more information to go anywhere with it. It’s too ambiguous at present to get anything solid on their thinking. Same applies to those wondering about the opera house.
December 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Is the Frak party 21 and over only? I’m a huge BSG fan in the L.A. area who’s slightly underage and wants to know!
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Thanks for the great feedback, everyone! Great to see things from other perspectives.
As far as the webisodes are concerned, how come some of you aren’t able to get them? Here in the States, we just go to scifi.com to access them. It really sucks that so many of you haven’t been able to see them yet. I suggest Matt & Nat write a strongly worded letter to those saps over at SCI-FI for this utter outrage.
I hope all of you are able to see the webisodes before Jan. 16th. And what’s the deal with SCI-FI not airing any old BSG episodes?
What the frak is that about?! Showing eps from Season 3 at least would get us all pumped for the rest of Season 4. Gah!
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 am
Signa jade – Thanks for the link. However it doesn’t play in canada for some reason.
Since I know Matt and Nat are seeing the webisodes and they are canadian, there must be a canadian link for it. Does anyone know? For now I’ll google.
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 am
LOL I can’t belive I didn’t even think of youtube!!! Woo I finally saw the webisodes.
Soooooo is Athena really dead? Seriously?
I wish I knew more of the back story between geata and the other 8.
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 am
No, Athena isn’t dead! That was just some random Eight after the Cylons and the Colonials mixed. My bet is that Athena is still down on earth with Helo and Hera. Shooting some Sixes, probably lol.
I’m really liking the webisodes with the murder mystery, but the Webisode #4 Commentary gave away the murderer *sigh* Don’t listen to it.
December 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
Again folks, anyone that is having a hard time finding or playing the webidsodes can click my name and find them there.
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Ben, Thanks for the heads up about the the #4 commentaries. I guess you take a risk anytime you listen. It’s hard, but I’m trying to remain spoiler free for the final 10.
Sometimes the most obvious solution is the correct one. I’m still sticking with Kara or Baltar as the F5.
The one I don’t want to be the F5 – is Zack Adama. I believe there was a BSG comic that had him come back but it seems too implausible and cheesy. Really any Adama being a cylon will be a disappointment.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Yea you gotta be careful with commentary tracks… I’m glad now I didn’t listen to them.
December 23rd, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Hey, Matt & Nat!
It’d be interesting to get some feedback on what you both think about the webisodes, unless you’re going to wait until they ALL air before giving us any kind of commentary? In any case, I’m sure we’d all love to hear your thoughts.
WHERE R U GUYS????
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December 24th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Ben – The 8 that died had a colonial uniform on. Athena is the only cylon colonial soldier.
December 24th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
I hadn’t really given the Earth topic a thought since I have been so absorbed in what’s going on (or trying to figure out what’s going on) in the micro webisode story. I also think that the environment and situation the characters are in aren’t very conducive to chatting about anything else but the matter at hand. Of course I’m sure Jane E. (and Ron… and David, etc.) don’t want to give anything away about what’s going on with Earth until it’s unfolded in 4.5.
Did anyone else find it strange in webisode 5 that while they had the hatch open and everyone had suits and helmets on, later they were sealed back up in the Raptor with suits and helmets off and going all cyanotic? Aren’t those suits supposed to keep you alive in open space for a good long time? Are they alternating suit time with the air in the ship? I guess it’s unclear exactly how much time has gone by, and maybe an explanation is forthcoming in the remaining 5 webisodes, but the suit thing was a little distracting for me.
December 24th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Oh, and I wanted to add for you folks in Canada or anywhere else outside the USA – If you click on my name, I have been posting youtube versions of all the ‘ Face of the Enemy’ webisodes on my blog (click on ‘The Face of the Enemy’ tag to see them all, at least the 5 that are out so far). I thought in Canada they posted them on the Space Channel site, but I guess not?
December 25th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Kirsty – That may have changed over the week between Season 4.0 and the webisodes, because Cylons have an alliance with the Colonials, they probably want to be in the fleet now, too. Also, I doubt they would kill Athena without making a deal about it at all. She’s been a major character since Season 2.5, do you really think they would kill her in webisodes where not every fan would watch, and not make a deal out of it at all?
December 25th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
I am confused by what is happening on the Raptor. The dead Eight floats out weightless yet the rest of the scenes on the raptor show that that everyone on board has weight and there is a definite up and down. Do they have ways of producing gravity on BSG? They all appear to have weight on the Battlestars but then they are massive ships whereas the Raptors are very small. Have I missed something?
December 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Galactica is the fifth. Look at the latest ‘Youwillknowthetruth’ clue with the breaking apart of the walls in Adama’s bathroom and Tighe and the others saying long ago ‘The music – it’s in the ship.’
I’m just kidding – I have no frackin idea. I just hope – and I do trust – that whoever the fifth is, something very interesting comes of it in terms of what happens then and in terms of shedding light on certain occurances of the past.
And I hope that many loose ends are tied up and that Lee and Kara survive together….too much to ask perhaps.
I agree with Signa Jade’s prediction – I think there will be lots of fighting among anti-cylon and cylon-supportive factions in the fleet, and that Cavil will return and that there will be only a few survivors that escape to Earth. But I will add that I predict at the very end, Earth survivors will come out of the nuclear bomb shelters to join them. And a lot of them will look like people who have died….maybe. Or some such twisty thing.
A few things are certain. Adama, like Lee and Baltar and others, trusts some cylons (e.g. Sharon) and is willing to live with them, make peace. Roslin is not. She will never trust any of them. She tried to shoot Starbuck upon her return. She blew Leoben out of the airlock. She will never never make peace with them. Thus I predict she will be the final cylon. She will find out, gather all the cylons together, and destroy them all, including herself.
Any thoughts on this?
(sidenote: Callum was wasted in the recent X-Files film, which I just saw last night. What a bore. Illegal organ/body smuggling? A gay guy would be supportive of his lover’s head getting put on a woman’s body? Please. Mr. Carter, here’s a hint for you – a good script is everything! Yuck.)
December 26th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
ps. Webisodes? Yawn.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Or maybe Adama will be the final cylon and Roslin won’t be able to deal with that. I bet on either her or him. Sorry for the multiple posts! I am getting totally psyched!!!
Tootie!
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December 26th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Yes, the webisodes are a little boring thus far. Hopefully it will “fit” into the overall story and connect more dots for us and not leave more questions. Thankfully JJ Abrams isn’t at the helm of this show, otherwise we’d NEVER get answers! What a schmuck.
Okay, IF RDM is sticking to his comments about the FC NOT being in The Last Supper photo, then my guess is that the FC could possibly be Ellen Tigh OR Cally. Yes, yes, yes, both of these choices are kinda lame, but well, there you have it. Just a thought. A rather whack one, but we’re all kinda throwin’ them out there. IF it turns out to be Cally, then that would indeed make Hera “special” since she would be the first human/cylon creation. Why else would the focus be solely on her and not on poor ol’ forgotten Nicholas? (Tyrol and Cally’s kid).
And it would seem that the FC would in fact be a female. Just makes sense. In the S7, there are 3 women and 4 men. And the FF there currently are 3 men and 1 woman. Another woman would kinda balance things out. So the total cylon count would be 7 men and 5 women.
Anyone remember that sketch/drawing of the “robed FF”? Well, it definitely looked like TWO women and three men. This is all of course shallow supposition but I can’t help but reach for straws at this point. I’m ACHING for some frakkin answers already!!
December 26th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I don’t know ben, they’re killing everybody this season. But I do agree that it would be weird to kill her in a webisode where not everyone would see it.
December 26th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
@ Tron – Finally! I’ve been sidelined in my assertion that the FC will be female – I’ve been posting that theory for some time. It is doubly likely since that would make the cylons mimic the gender ratios of the Greek pantheon. The human cylon hybrids are the next generation of God’s children – 6 is clear about this. They are the shape of things to come, not the final of a set of characters who existed even in the miniseries.
@ Kristy – I’d say that 50% of the top cast will die this season. Maybe 2 out of 3, but more than that would not work so well in my book.
@ Lunar Lander – two comments on the physics of what you’re discussing. The ejected dead 8 wouldn’t stay near the raptor. As soon as she was thrown out, she’d go flying away continually – objects in motion stay in motion until acted on by an outside force. Regarding gravity, artificial gravity is presupposed. A ship the size of the Galactica wouldn’t have meaningful amounts of gravity. Actually, you’d need a ship the size of a planet or larger to have any kind of gravity, and it would be directed towards the center of the ship, and the center would still be weightless. The bottom line is that artificial gravity is a fiction we employ in our science fiction shows because filming in zero G is too expensive.
Gaeta would have been horrified to have Athena apparently murdered. The 8’s annonymity seems proof she’s not Athena. Actually, we have seen 8’s wearing the flight suits before – the 8 who worked with Helo on the Hub was in a flight suit just like any colonial.
Adama’s office falling apart – I’m betting that this is the beginning of the Galactica falling apart. RDM was clear about it really showing signs of wear this season, and I’m betting that the old girl is just falling apart on a fundamental level now. This is how they are showing it in all likelyhood. I can’t see any other meaning behind that scene. Am I missing something?
December 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Wow… I just watched the whole thing (OK, minus episode 9… thanks Amazon). This was like a horror flick. I guess I need to see episode 9 to know how everything went down but I can use my imagination. In any event, what Felix says at the end sounds ominous. I wonder how it will play into the actual show.
December 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Hey guys,
I figured I should give my two cents here. First off, about Gaeta’s sexuality, I honestly can’t say seeing him as bisexual is a good or a bad thing. To be honest, I always saw Gaeta as non-sexual. I mean, I’ve always seen him as being no preference or no interest in having any kind of sexual experience of any kind. And I always assumed that if he was going to knock someone’s boots, it would be Dualla’s. But seeing that he hooked up with a Model Eight, it makes him appear to be the small percentage that accept Cylon interaction. But he’s a part of the even smaller percentage that is confortable with Cylons to allow them so close to allow them in emotionally. It’s people like Helo and Gaeta that gives me hope that the humans and Cylons can get along, even though people like Tom Zarek reminds me of a lot of social moores of the past that some people will not let go (TBH, I feel that, from the preview I saw, Zarek is being a bit of a hypocrite. He became a terrorist in order to change things. Now that a possibility of change is now coming, especially since the Cylons that have joined the fleet could help them out, he’s acting exactly the way that the people he was fighting against probably acted towards him).
Now, onto the meat of the story. The Raptor. Everything that is occuring in the webisodes actually reminds me of an Alfred Hitchcock movie. I don’t know if many people remember it or not, but it’s one of the better films. It’s called “Lifeboat”, it was written by John Steinbeck. The film takes place all in a lifeboat after a British boat and a U-boat have a fight. The feeling I get with the webisodes, especially with what happens inside the Raptor, gives me the same feeling I get when I watch “Lifeboat”.
For the deaths so far, I can say that it wasn’t “Sweet Eight” that killed “Pilot Eight” (well, if you think about it, have we ever seen a Model cause harm to another copy of the same model? So far, we’ve seen a Model Eight shoot a Model Six two seperate times. We’ve seen a Six kill an Eight and a Six kill a Three. And of course, we’ve seen the Centurions against the Cavils, Dorals and Simons. Plus, “Sweet Eight” appeared rather sad when they were ejecting “Pilot Eight”’s body out of the Raptor. The sadness in her eyes doesn’t look like that of a Model Eight that would kill one of her own Model). But when it comes to the knuckledragger’s plyers, we do not get a clear shot of the handle to see if it was stripped before he used them or before he handed them to “Pilot Eight”.
For the knuckledragger’s death…. It’s hard to tell. I can say for certain that it wasn’t Gaeta. If it’s “Sweet Eight”, it wouldn’t be a surprise because she apparently still has some sort of feeling for Gaeta. The two pilots, don’t know about them. But then again, it could have been a suicide by the knuckdragger, maybe out of guilt for killing the “Pilot Eight” (if he is responsible for it). But there is one drawback: how did he know about Gaeta’s stash of morpha? The only one who knew about it was “Sweet Eight”, but I don’t think she would have taken any of it because she knew Gaeta needed it.
It’s hard to tell who is pulling a fast one on all of us.
BTW, for those who are interested in my machinima comic book fan fiction series, I should let you know I’m getting geared up to work on the first comic soon. Just need to get a website where people can go to view the comic series.
December 27th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Of course! How could I have been so dumb?
RDM said that the FF is not in the Last Supper photo… and Roslin isn’t….in the last version of that photo.
So, he was telling the truth, in his way.
We just needed to listen to him and piece it together.
So, there you go. It’s her.
December 27th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Roslin was on the basestar with Three, so it could be her. However, that just seems too obvious.
December 27th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Tootie – love you reveal of the final cylon:
______(insert your choice of final cylon here) steps out of the underground shelter and says “thank god you saved us” cue end of episode 9. I hope it will be better than the reveal of Tigh which could have been more dramatic and more of a surprise.
Don’t trust RDM about the final cylon not being in the picture. He said we wouldn’t see earth until the very end – that’s why I was so surprised when they found earth so early in season 4.
December 28th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Just wondering………..was it meant to be the the name BALTAR is spelled out, in order, in BA tt L es TAR
December 28th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
CB2001, I do apologise for poking a hole in your theory of no model-on-model violence, but Natalie put a round through another Six’s head on the Rebel Baseship and Boomer gunned down an Eight on Caprica. There is no motive for ‘Sweet Eight’ killing the pilot version though, as far as I can see.
Totally didn’t pick up on the fact it was Racetrack flying Hoshi’s Raptor until I listened to Jane Espenson’s commentary. More Racetrack is always awesome.
December 28th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Shiver- It’s no problem. I forgot about those two incidents. And after getting a chance to see Webisodes 6-8 on YouTube, I will completely retract all of my previous statement (except for the up-to-date info on my Battlestar Galactica machinima comic book fan fiction series).
December 29th, 2008 at 12:45 am
With all of these great theories running around, one or maybe a few of us are going to look like genuises when all is said and done. Again, I’m sticking to the FC being female. I don’t think it’s Roslin, however.
I’m leaning now toward Ellen Tigh, even though I’m kinda hoping it’s Starbuck.
December 29th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Since I’ve been hitting the 12 Olympians so repeatedly, and since Starbuck has been associated with Aurora so repeatedly, it could be that it’s more likely that she’s the FC. However, Aurora is not technically an Olympian, but rather is one of the Titans who preceeded the Olympian gods. Depending on which direction you go with it, there’s a case to be made for or against her candidacy.
Actually, the overthrow of the Titans by the Olympians parallels this show interestingly… Maybe there’s something there (Starbuck being human representing Titans overthrown by cylons as Olympians), but that’s too far off the beaten path to be worth betting on.
So, let’s say Starbuck finds a dead raptor and a dead version of her body on Earth. Can we think of any way she could not be a cylon? We’ve all at one time or another thought it was obvious that she was the FC, though consensus was for a while that she was too obvious. Would such a discovery make it more obvious or yet more too obvious that she’s a cylon?
December 29th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
@Signa Jadae: Yes, I see where you’re going with that. Excellent hypothesis. But I read somewhere that RDM is in a lot of ways sticking somewhat to the whole narrative structure of TOS. Like the whole “Beings of Light” part of the story. Perhaps Starbuck could be one of them? We all know she plays a very pivotal role in all of this, so perhaps that’s her role. My whole thing is HOW could Leoben know how special Starbuck is, if none of the S7 knew what the FF looked like? How could he be so sure that she’s so important? Having said that, I wouldn’t at all be disappointed if Starbuck is the FC.
And think about this: RDM said that the FC is “not in the Last Supper Photo”. Well, the Starbuck we see cuddling up to Anders, could very well be the Starbuck everyone knew BEFORE her fatal crash. What if RDM is frakking with our heads? What if she IS the FC, and the NEW or “resurrected” version of her later appears in the photo? That would kind of make him not a liar then, wouldn’t it?
The ol’ wrench in the proverbial machine is that Starbuck WAS in the fleet when D’Anna gave her little speech. The mind still reels….
December 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I must admit I’m a little disappointed in the webisodes. Yes I’m hooked but the background setting doesn’t make a lot of sense. Is Hoshi really searching for Gaeta in infinite space in a raptor by “spinning the dial”, and did Tigh really let him go on this crazy mission; have they all become religious fanatics now. Are the other people on the raptor really so scared of Sharon – who’s supposedly an ally – that they’d rather die of lack of oxygen that let her search for the corrupted digit. Either the plotting’s bad or there’s something fishy here.
Also am I the only one who thinks Gaeta might be faking it with the Sharon model. A way of getting information … perhaps this explains what dirt Baltar has on him. Probably not, but I don’t think all is as it seems with Gaeta.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
I’m disappointed that the writers undermined Gaeta’s homosexuality by making his connection with the Number 8 sexual. That wasn’t necessary at all. Gaeta and 8 could have had a very close connection, and indeed she could have been in love with him, without them needing to have sex and casting him as “bisexual”. A violated friendship and destroyed trust are powerful motivators for the characters, we don’t need the sex angle.
Also did anyone notice the differences in the ways Gaeta’s homo and hetero relationships were portrayed in the webisodes? He made out with 8 but Hoshi just got a quick peck on the lips. He had post-coital glow with 8, but he just got to hold hands with Hoshi. NOT COOL.
December 30th, 2008 at 5:20 am
I’m not so upset with the bisexual thing per se as I don’t see why – in an adult show that is all about the discovery of humaness and its limits – characters shouldn’t be shown experimenting sexually a little (I mean he’s also having sex with a Cylon enemy!), but it’s true they wimped out with the depiction of the gay scenes. Now the whole thing just looks like a tokenistic gesture toward the gay community and one that they’ve not even followed through with properly.
Think of the Sopranos when they took on similar themes they did it full throttle. Let’s hope they hit their stride again when they’re back to the main series.
December 30th, 2008 at 5:31 am
The bisexuality thing wouldn’t bother me if it was indeed a sincere exploration of sexual boundaries. But it wasn’t – we never saw any of the established heterosexuals in the show experimenting with bisexuality. We got the ONLY character from a cast of who has been widely perceived as gay, and they coped out by making him a bisexual. Pathetic.
December 30th, 2008 at 5:58 am
Yes put that way I’m inclined to agree; a bit pathetic.
Looking back at the previous set of webisodes they took on a really hard theme: the suicide bomber and freedom fighter / terrorist and actually got you to think and feel and think into the worldview of the bomber. Extremely dangerous and important territory to explore in a mainstream (relatively) TV show. And this time … Gaeta get’s a peck on the lips from a man. Aesthetic and moral cop-out methinks.
December 30th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Those of you bothered by his bisexuality have done your own points a complete disservice. The writers are showing that there IS NO HETERO/HOMOSEXUALITY in BSG. People just fall in love with… people. Perhaps if people stop thinking there should be sides and just accept that love exists beyond boundaries, then we might all learn to stop being such bigots.
December 30th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Darth, ok then why are none of the other characters (all of whom are 100 per cent hetero) ever jumping the fence for a gender-blind shag? I just don’t buy it.
December 30th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
People, people, people…
These fights about sexuality show far more about us than they do about the actual content of the show. They are predictable in forums like this, they are heated, and they usually say far more about our stereotypes than about the show at hand. It’s a testimony to the insecurity we have about sexuality and our inability to live with differing perspectives on it.
Come on – we’re better than that here.
Please play nice, okay? I appreciate it.
December 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
So what makes you guys(matt & nat) think that tigh or any of the colonials would have any hang-ups about gay men? Their society is apaprently gender-blind, so I think its only a natural extension that they wouldn’t be heterosexist. It seemst to me you’re assuming that the heterosexist and heteronormal moories of our culture are the rule for the BSG universe as well. open your minds.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Hahaha, no Graham, we just meant what business does a killer robot have making judgements about other people
Afterall, he did just about get Gaeta airlocked not too long ago:)
But it is absolutely clear that the BSG universe has no real hang-ups on gender compatibility, and that finding a special someone and companionship is all that matters. Even the Cylons are happy with their threesomes.
~Matt
December 31st, 2008 at 12:45 am
I have a question for anyone who is familiar with Alfred Hitchcock’s work, who are also fans of BSG: Does anyone else see a bit of a connection in the premise of “The Face of the Enemy” webisodes and the Alfred Hitchcock directed, John Steinbeck written, “Lifeboat”? I mean, when watching the webisodes, I can’t help but think about “Lifeboat”, and I was wondering if anyone else had that same feeling.
December 31st, 2008 at 1:01 am
Me72, I would just like to point out that Geata is not the only major character who jumped over the fence: D’anna was in a love triangle with Baltar and Six; Six did Baltar, Tigh, D’anna, Cain, and she would probably do another copy herself given the opportunity; and, if the circumstances had been right (ie, lots of booze, boredom, nothing to lose), maybe, just maybe, Starbuck and Kat could have “mend fences”, in their case!
December 31st, 2008 at 1:49 am
Bacchus, my last point on this… apart from “lesbian fantasy for the boys” porn cliches like a Baltar in bed with two hot women, I’m not seeing a lot of evidence for your point in the show.
As for Cain, we have no idea if she was “gender blind” or a dedicated lesbian. There is not enough context to make that judgement. Gina 6 was a spy so her motivations for the romance are dubious at best.
Given that the Galactica was filled with horny singles shagging each others brains out throughout four seasons, IMHO we never saw any real evidence that there was a significantly gender-blind culture, as far as sexuality and romance goes. Shouldn’t everyone have been going at it? If so we NEVER saw it.
But I’m not going to keep banging on about this. We all take different perspectives from the show, which are informed by our own biases and ‘issues’. I respect your opinion. I’m just sad that we didn’t get a happily gay Gaeta, and that’s doubly sad considering almost everyone else’s behaviour was entirely heterosexual.
(As an aside, given the prudish treatment of Gaeta’s gay romance vis-a-vis his relationship with Sweet 8, could anyone EVER imagine Gaeta and Hoshi being depicted in bed together, even in a non-sexual context, as 6 and Deana were? It just would not happen.)
Peace out.
December 31st, 2008 at 5:14 am
It seems like everyone is focussing on the most unimportant aspect of these webisodes. Geata’s bi ok great can we move on please LOL. The important info is that 1) he was involved with a cylon 2) That cylon worked to help rescue humans 3) Geata is addicted to Morpha 4) Athena is dead! (probably the most important) 5) Was that dude murdered or did he overdose.
December 31st, 2008 at 9:45 am
Kirsty- At this point, who isn’t involved with a cylon. lol. I dont think that was Athena. She was dressed in those black uniforms the other cylons were wearing in THE HUB. Since Athena gave up that part of her life, I doubt she would all of a sudden start to wear their uniform. Pretty sure thats against the rules too, not that either Athena or Helo have a problem with breaking rules. The guy with the morpha needle probably thought just get it over with now and not go through suffication.
December 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
It wasn’t Athena. She’s reveared by the 8’s for one thing. She wouldn’t have been killed so nonchalantly. The two 8’s seemed to be together too, and Athena hasn’t been so fond of her sisters of late. And Gaeta’s worked with Athena before, and he and the other colonials would have reacted a little more strongly if she had died.
Now, Matt, you called the 8’s the slut model. I take issue with that, not least because I’ve had a big crush on Grace Park since somewhere between the Miniseries and episode 3. However, I think that the term is ill deserved, because each of the models, excepting Boomer, has been perfectly monogomous (though Boomer will return to her one true love by 4.15). All because the entire 8 line is willing to accept that Helo is Athena’s man (much to their chagrin) doesn’t make the individuals sluts for going after other men. 6’s are hot, 3’s are firey, but 8’s are the sweetheart model, and thus the one you’d expect humans to be most interested in. Yes, the 8’s as a whole have hooked up with more humans than 6’s and 3’s, but it’s been in a monogamous fashion.
A few thoughts on the ‘You will know the truth’ pages.
Twice now there’s been a deep and new voice saying “Our little secret” New, enigmatic, and interesting character coming methinks.
There were 11, 12, or 13 bell tolls at one point in an audio piece. A reference to the 12th hour of the show, the 12th cylon, or something else maybe. I think we’re going to be working with that image in the shows.
December 31st, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Well, its not that the 8’s are the “slut” models. Its that they are always on the lookout for “something shiny”.
December 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
JJ – OMG you are so right about the Athena thing. She isn’t wearing a colonial uniform she’s wearing a cylon military uniform DO’h! Okkkkk now things are starting to make more sense *Phew* Can’t belive I missed that.
December 31st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
The “our little secret” line appears to be Baltar talking to Gaeta during some sort of negotiation.
January 1st, 2009 at 12:41 am
For those who have been keeping up with my machinima comic book fan fiction series project, I figured I’d give a little bit of a heads up here: Over the next week, I will be off line due to moving to a new apartment and will not have internet available until either Monday or Tuesday of next week (may be more, depending on how things go). But I will be continuing to work on the first comic (at the rate of where I am at, I may not be able to make it before the start of the first of the last 10 episodes, but I will be getting it done, even if it means starting after the ending of the actual show, give people something to read in between the show’s ending and the TV movie for “The Plan”). But this upcoming week will be rather busy for me, but as soon as the Internet is up and running, I’ll be more than happy to let you all know of how things are progressing. By the time you read this, I may already be offline. But I’ll see you guys soon.
BTW, I don’t believe the Model Eights are the “sluts” of the Cylons (if any model that was purposefully designed to be like that, it’s the Sixes). It’s just that the Model Eights are more succeptible to having true emotional responses, especially quicker than any of the other Models with multiple copies, than a Six or a Three would (think about it, Caprica Six didn’t fall in love with Baltar right off the bat. It was during the two year period that she was with him did she develop emotions for him, even though it was mainly sex for her). Just my two cents.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Hello!!
Check out Bear McCeary’s recent blog post http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=925
He writes that his documentary “Inside The Secrets Of The Behind The Making Of The Music Of Battlestar Galactica Revealed” will be included in the Season 4.0 DVD set. Awesome news. This was freakin’ hilarious. He also mentions that another Music of BSG concert is in the works. Even better news!! I don’t care where in the world its going to be held, I am going! I went to the last concert in April. Nothing like hearing “All Along the Watchtowers” live!!!
January 5th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Well, all my happy people, how is Canada? Here in Southern California it is a brisk 59 degrees which is cold to us. I am happy to report I will be attending the frak party on the 16th. Does anyone know if any of our questions will be answered by the special on scifi on Jan 11? Well we can be happy, soon our two favorite questions will be answered, how did starbuck come back and who is that pesky fifth cylon? All of our theorys and dreams will be smashed and confirmed. This is bittersweet for me because while I will be happy to have then answers, I will be depressed because it is all ending. I have lived through the heartbreak before with Firefly, SG1, Atlantis, Sliders which all began with the cancellation of Robotech when I was 15. Hopefully some new scifi comes along to fill the hole in my heart. All my shows are lost, but never forgotten.
Timothy
January 5th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Between the webisodes (now up to #8 – how fitting!) and the clues, I suspect that Gaeta is about to do something that is potentially suicidal with a raptor.
From the webisodes, he probably realizes that he was the one responsible for the executions on New Caprica because of the list he gave to Sharon. It wasn’t his intent or direct doing, but he feels responsible because of misplacing his trust. He confided in Baltar after too many drinks and a long card game.
In another blog entry, did someone say that the fleet may be in orbit around a trinary star system – suggesting the Centauri system? Maybe Gaeta is taking a raptor on a one man journey to Earth? It was hard to tell, but the continents didn’t look like present day Earth +/- a few million years.
Could this be the trigger to an all-out civil war within the fleet? The previews suggest that a civil war may be forthcoming – possibly with the Cylons joining forces with the rebels.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I would like to take this opportunity to reply to Lovejoy (I know what I’m about to say is not this thread is devoted to, but frak it). First, Lovejoy, I’d trade my 15º for your 59º anytime! The only thing about cold weather is that creatures like scorpions, tarantulas, lizards, weird bugs, etc, can’t survive up here in Canada. Second, I think TV executives pull the plug too soon when they have a serious, well-written sci-fi in their line-up. The first example that comes to mind is Firefly. Firefly was a character driven, humorous, dramatic, and action packed show. It was too good to be true. The second is Star Trek, the original series. You also have shows like Star Trek: TNG that ran for 7 seasons and I was sad when they wrapped it up, but you can’t keep a show on he air indefinitely. Other shows, you just wish they had pulled the plug when it was still relevant, like the X-files and StarGate SG-1. Save for Morena Baccarin, I could have done without the Ori. Of course there are masterpieces like RDM’s Battlestar Galactica. But, for every good sci-fi series, there are 10 more crappy ones: Lexx (that was beyond cheesy), Flash Gordon, Lost in Space, Andromeda, Buck Rogers, Star Trek: Enterprise, and, I’m sorry to say, the original Battlestar Galactica. My point is, most people associate sci-fi with pointless shows that rely on crappy visual FX and unending action scenes to drive story plots that could have been written by a 7 year old. No wonder gems somehow get confused with ordinary rocks.
PS: Has anyone seen webepisode #8? Looks like we’ve got a psychopath cylon about that raptor.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Since there is no Edit function, I’m posting this a second time.
I would like to take this opportunity to reply to Lovejoy (I know what I’m about to say is not this thread is devoted to, but frak it). First, Lovejoy, I’d trade my 15º for your 59º anytime! The only thing nice about cold weather is that creatures like scorpions, tarantulas, lizards, weird bugs, etc, can’t survive up here in Canada. Second, I think TV executives pull the plug too soon when they have a serious, well-written sci-fi show in their line-up. The first example that comes to mind is Firefly. Firefly was a character driven, humorous, dramatic, and action packed show. It was too good to be true. The second is Star Trek, the original series. You also have shows like Star Trek: TNG that ran for 7 seasons and, I was sad when they wrapped it up, but you can’t keep a show on the air indefinitely. Other shows, you just wish they had pulled the plug when it was still relevant, like the X-files and StarGate SG-1. (Save for Morena Baccarin, I could have done without the Ori). Of course there are masterpieces like RDM’s Battlestar Galactica. But, for every good sci-fi series, there are 10 more crappy ones: Lexx (that was beyond cheesy), Flash Gordon, Lost in Space, Andromeda, Buck Rogers, Star Trek: Enterprise, and, I’m sorry to say, the original Battlestar Galactica. My point is, most people associate sci-fi with pointless shows that rely on crappy visual FX and unending action scenes to drive story plots that could have been written by a 7 year old. No wonder gems somehow get confused with ordinary rocks.
PS: Has anyone seen webepisode #8? Looks like we’ve got a psychopath cylon about that raptor.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Me again with the Edit function issue, I meant “onboard” and not “about” that raptor!?!?!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Webisode 10 is on youtube. I suspect that webisode 9 is going to be a major clue to the last few episodes of BSG.
WARNING: SPOILER ALERT!
I suspect that Gaeta finds out what the Cylons’ plans are and vows to stop them at all cost. I am now more convinced than ever that a civil war is coming. Gaeta now distrusts all Cylons and their technology. Gaeta will lead the revolt on Galactica and do so in the name of protecting Humanity. It won’t be Humans First, but Humans Only.
This is pure speculation: I wonder if he is going to jump a Raptor into the baseship with a nuke onboard? This could be the redemption he needs for the list he gave Sharon back on New Caprica.
Somehow, Gaeta is going to do something heroic that will end in his death and redeem his soul. A true Tragic Hero ending.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Yep. Gaeta may indeed become a corpse. A heroic one. But a corpse all the same.
Seems like many major characters are going to bite the big one this season.
Tick. Tock.
We’re almost there, guys! Exactly 10 more days and counting and soon we’ll FINALLY KNOW THE TRUTH!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 1:04 am
I’m not so sure we’ll finally know the truth. The Caprica previews leave me in great fear of a retcon the likes of which not even Retconiclese the ancient Greek God of Discontinuity has ever seen.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:52 am
So, 9 is still not available even though the Battlestar page said it would be available today. So, I saw epidode 10 on YouTube.
Gaeta’s definately begining some kind of unholy alliance – we see him confronting Zarek in the previews, so I’m pretty sure he’s the one pulling the strings. It’d be hard to find a better leader for any kind of subversive elements in the fleet than him.
The intersection of the webisodes and the episodes will likely come in the form of the meeting Tigh invited Gaeta to – one with Tyrol’s “New idea”.
Also in the previews, we saw Adama in an ejection room, tied up etc. Methinks that getting rid of the Old Man will be a part of the revolution Gaeta’s coming in support of. Starbuck, Tigh, and Lee with guns could mean anything of course, but shooting their way to rescue Adama makes sense to me.
The scene with Gaeta and Baltar we saw in the youwillknowthetruth will probably be occuring in light of the revolt Gaeta’s in on. The question is if this meeting is amiable, or if Baltar is, once again, being jailed and Gaeta’s the one in a position of power. The latter seems twice as likely as the former given their dispositions during the conversation, though either are possible.
Timing. Timing timing timing. Well, the revolt can’t happen until episode 4, and might happen as late as 6. They need to leave earth (ep. 2 I think), Gaeta needs to meet with the leadership (ep 3, maybe 4), the revolt needs to be planned (ep 4 or 5), and then it needs to happen (5 or 6), and the consequences need to be played out (6-12?). Laura will need to step down before the revolt too, so Lee and Zarek can be at odds during the revolt (I’m guessing this will happen episode 2, 3, or 4)
Thoughts?
January 7th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
So frustrating to be outside the states with the new (final) webisode up. Help please.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Webepisode 9 from Space
http://watch.spacecast.com/battlestar-galactica/webisodes/battlestar-galactica-webisode-the-face-of-the-enemy/clip126084#clip126084
January 7th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Webepisode 9
http://watch.spacecast.com/battlestar-galactica/webisodes/battlestar-galactica-webisode-the-face-of-the-enemy/clip126084#clip126084
January 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Okay, I just saw 9 and 10. 9 is just leaving me confused about what happened. It was intense, but not precisely clear – probably true to how Gaeta would have experienced it. I genuinely didn’t expect them to bring in that old conversation with Baltar though I’m pleased they did – was that new footage, or only old footage?
If the 8 apparently held Gaeta in such patronizing contempt, why didn’t she kill him too? Can anyone make heads or tales of that? It made sense when they were toying with the old lovers theme, but now that it’s been defeated, what’s up with that?
January 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Yes I’ve seen them too now and I’m suspicion that episode 10 might have been leaked earlier as nine is the real reveal.
(spoiler) Go watch it before reading on …
But i think Sweet Eight is genuinely attached to Gaeta. This is after all what the eights are all about, they form strong ever overwhelming attachments (not a slut model at all!) but other aspects of their personalities are very fluid and open. Sweet eight seems to be all to aware of the limitations of her lover Gaeta who it seems is not just bisexual but conflicted and playing all sides at once (albeit without owning up to himself). Now I think he is a shoe-in for the missing chair (ouch – mixing metaphors) in the Last Supper picture. He is clearly a Judas character and just like Judas cons himself that betrayal of his comrades is actually the best for everyone. This seems to set him up for some suicidal dash to come possibly trying to destroy the Cylons at the expense of the rest of humanity. But is he the final Cylon? Somehow I find this unlikely unless his final betrayal is to be of the Cylons themselves who he now might be out to destroy at any cost (blaming them for seducing him).
(PS – I don’t think these webisodes were such a let down after all. Where is the face of Gaeta’s enemy? In the mirror it seems.)
Thoughts?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
@theuth: Wow, great analysis!
Yes, it would certainly seem like Gaeta is in the “Judas” position, seeing as how he’s completely conflicted about playing both sides. Excellent observation. (kicking myself since it was so obvious and I didn’t put that all together! Frak.)
It would make total sense if there is an all out war since they’ve shown clips of Lee, Starbuck and Baltar (I think I saw a clip of Tricia Helfer as No. 6–not sure which model–Head 6–rebel 6?) wearing flack jackets with guns blazing. Like I stated in an earlier post, which I’m sure has become common knowledge to everyone, is that there will be lots of casualties, and many cast members have mentioned how these last 10 episodes will be filled with much “shock and awe”.
@Jinx: Yeah, let’s hope the “god of discontinuity” won’t plague the last 10 episodes. I need to watch the latest Caprica preview myself, before rendering any real criticism. I’m a little worried that a few of our questions won’t get answered, and if so, they may be shrouded in “artistic ambiguity”. Let’s just hope we all have our eyes poppin out of our heads and huge grins on our faces when this is all over.
Tick. Tock.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:16 am
What do we all make of this line:
SPOILER FOR WEBISODE 9
“I’m a woman. And a Cylon. I didn’t seduce you, hope seduced you.”
January 8th, 2009 at 8:11 am
@ Me 72: The woman and cylon identity seemed to be brought up to humanize her – she’s not claiming to be anything more or less than a woman and a cylon. She’s no demon he can hate for fooling him. Rather, he blinded himself though hope, faith, love – wanting to believe something other than what he was doing.
I do have to say, this is by far the most interesting layover from New Caprica we’ve seen. Considering New Caprica was 4 month of horror and only 1.5 years ago, that there would still be some people dealing with crap from that time wouldn’t be a big surprise, and this was a fascinating way to do it.
@ theuth – good connection with the face of the enemy – you hit the nail on the head, and beat me to it. And no, this was no let down at all. It would rank at a B+ for a battlestar episode had it aired normally.
I do think that we’ll know the truth. They’ll piss off so many people if they don’t tie up 90% of the loose ends by the end of the show, and while they’ll need to leave some loose ends open for Caprica, they’ll tie up all of them for Earth and the FF otherwise they’ll never be able to pick those up again.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I think Sweet 8 wanted to help Gaeta and the humans on New Caprica…but she couldn’t save everyone and she knew it and Gaeta should have known it… All she could do was save a few. She lied to Gaeta about it on the planet because she couldn’t bear telling him the truth or she wanted to see if he would realize it couldn’t possibly be true, or both.
She killed the people in the raptor because she wanted the two of them to live. She did what she had to to survive, as you have to in war.
I am impressed overall with these webisodes and the way they ended with a cliffhanger of sorts and the way they tie in New Caprica and Baltar in the cell with Gaeta – with the present situation/alliance with the cylons.
I think the speculation posted here about Gaeta clawing towards the light for redemption is right on – although Baltar fits that very well as well, and you might find that Baltar also takes steps (perhaps even suicidal ones) to redeem himself along with Gaeta.
It is interesting though – just because Gaeta was lied to by a cylon who did what she could to help, he thinks that the cylon alliance is a bad idea. His is just one perspective. I think we have seen that there are many cylons who can be trusted – if they make a connection with humans and with their own humanity. But not all humans have been exposed to that, only a few.
I think that Adama will treat Gaeta’s perspective as one, and balance them all. I think Adama will try to protect the Alliance and that he and Roslin will be at odds about that (as I have said before). She and Gaeta are similar in their thinking that cylons can’t be trusted.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I just had a wild and random thought: Why is it that ALL of the cylons EXCEPT Number Six have names? Number Six is usually addressed as “Caprica Six”, but how come she doesn’t have a “regular” name like D’Anna, Simon, Doral, Sharon, Cavil? Okay, they’re not the most “normal” names, but still. Why is Number Six (Caprica) the only one who gets to be named after a planet colony?
I was just wondering because the FC is supposed to be quoted as saying: “You’ve heard my voice many times, yet you do not know my name.” I’m NOT saying that Number Six is the FC for extremely obvious reasons, but she definitely has some very important role in the whole mythology, as we all know. But why exactly is she made to stand out from the rest of the cylons? Is it because of her number?
In the Bible, the number six represents human imperfection. Just a thought, guys. Wild and random.
January 9th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Wait,wait,wait! I’ve been on a full on BSG ascetic fast since last season…I can’t watch this podcast until I watch the webisodes. Apparently there was a contest with the auction company, frak party news, etc. The fast is over….”lets drop our d!cks and grab our sticks” to quote the Chief!
Hoop is back in the game….
PS..Ellen is number 6 all grown up reincarnated in a young body that loves Tigh now. Its old and tired..but that was my one great insight beforeI saw it blasted all over the forums! “Adama for President!”
January 9th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Doh! Someone on the scifi forum stated that Number Six’s name is actually “Shelly”. Can anyone else back this up?
January 9th, 2009 at 12:58 am
@hoop: Yes, many people have said that Ellen Tigh is an older Number Six. But nobody can quite explain just why exactly this particular model ages? Or is it possible that they ALL can age? Again, let’s hope all of the mysteries are solved in just…hmm….eight more days!!! Whoopeeee!
January 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Tron82 – Well Shelly, like Gina in Razor, was one of her covert names. Remember back in season one when Shelly Godfrey (six) accused Baltar of being a traitor with pictures from their ministry of defense.
The eights are the same. Other than Boomer and Athena, we have only ever heard them refered to as “the eights”.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
hoop: Oddly enough, I’d had the very same thought. Although I cannot stand Ellen, it wouldn’t be a bad theory. After all, Tigh has aged as well.
Although the more I think about it, the more confused I get about the Final Five. Are they really cylons? Were their souls transferred into skinjob bodies? How? Why? Why not be reborn human then? At first I would have been led to believe the Final Five had been the ones implementing emotions into cylons (hence eventually creating skinjobs), but with the new Caprica series, that theory seems to be going right down the well. Yet seeing as how Tigh projected killing Adama in the first episode of season 4, they seem to carry in their ‘programming’ their hatred for humans like the cylons… BUT! The previews also seem to indicate they used to live on Earth… *rips hair out of her scalp* x____x…
As for the webisodes, I thought they were a nice addition, and I preferred them to the ones we got about Season 3. The ending was a major punch in the face too, at least for me. Hearing Tigh’s words about Cylon technology actually made me feel uneasy, considering how he used to feel about him being a Cylon… Hm…
January 9th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
I stand steadfastly against the belief that the FF are born and have genetic material floating around the colonies. This makes no genetic sense. Attempts to explain it in the story fall flat in my mind too – cylon human hybrids are the next generation of God’s children, not the reincarnated form of the cylons, God’s most recent creation. There’s been no exploration of this topic at all in the shows we’ve seen. Play around with that hypothesis all you want, but it won’t take five episodes for me to be vindicated. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. Sorry Matt.
Top Candidates for the FC: Shaw, Zoe (From Caprica series), Ellen (not so much though)
I actually think that its vaguely possible the the head characters, the propensity for visions, the eccentric religious oracles we’ve seen etc could get tied up with the FC somehow – Head 6 is in the middle of the last supper photo. However I suspect that’ll be wrapped up in another manner. Thoughts?
Regarding aging cylons – biologically, bodies wear down over time. There’s no way around that. Aging isn’t something humanity invented as it evolved for the fun of it. It is the natural by-product of the wearing down of our biological machinery. Cylons thus age as well, albeit by different mechanism. It shouldn’t be so surprising that human like machines wear down over time like our cars do. To say that they don’t or shouldn’t age would be a gross oversight on the part of the producers.
January 9th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Is it my imagination or are the boards from Revelation (ep 12) not up anymore? Matt n Nat? I put some good stuff up there!
January 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Hey Signa Jade,
I think they’s still up here: http://www.bsgcast.com/bsgcast-412-%E2%80%9Crevelations%E2%80%9D/#comments
Are these the comments you were looking for?
~Matt
January 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
No, but it got me to the ones I was talking about – thanks! Apparently I was being blind.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
@JJ: Thanks for that! I had forgotten that Shelly Godfrey was the name Number Six had in season one. I’m actually still trying to rewatch certain episodes before Jan. 16th. Just think…that’s only next Friday! Sorry, but I’m getting pretty dang pumped for this.
January 10th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Signa Jade wrote: “Head 6 is in the middle of the last supper photo. However I suspect that’ll be wrapped up in another manner. Thoughts?”
Well… this is where it gets funny. There’s a deleted scene I saw a while back where Head Six leaves Baltar for good. She implies that now he can go on his own, and that he doesn’t need her to lead him any longer. She also implies there will be other angels helping him along the way, then vanishes (sad scene, it’s too bad it never made it into the show).
Mind you, it IS a deleted scene, and I have a feeling they didn’t bring it into the show because they suddenly had another plan for Head Six. Still, she’s been nowhere to be found for episodes, and most of us already figured out it was because Baltar had achieved that spiritual clearance with God and that Head Six was therefore not needed any longer.
So following this… how does she fit in all this? How does she fit in the last supper now that her role is supposedly “fulfilled”? Somehow, it almost feels as though her role in the last season was nearly…. meaningless. It’s as though she just wasn’t an important character any longer. Through three seasons they made her one of the most important character in the series, and then “*POOF!* You know what, we don’t need you anymore”. I find it leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth, you know? I’m hoping against all odds that she’s not quite gone, because I still want another answer then “I’m an angel sent from God”. There’s GOT to be something more, something none of us thought of and will blow our minds.
Sorry, I’m just mindlessly dropping some ideas lol. Maybe it’ll help someone create more theories? lol
On another note, your analogy on aging machines and humans does make a lot of sense.
January 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Signa Jade wrote: Top Candidates for the FC: Shaw, Zoe (From Caprica series), Ellen (not so much though)
@Signa Jade: Ever since “Razor”, I have felt quite strongly (and so has Matt, I believe) that Kendra Shaw could and should be the FC. But everytime I start thinking again along those lines, I’m reminded almost everywhere (especially on message boards and such) that the FC has been in the series, according to an RDM quote, “since the beginning”. So given that bit of info, I can no longer see the probability of Kendra Shaw being the FC.
And I’m more than certain that the writers took into account all of our hunches and suspicions, and yet in a recent interview with Eick and RDM, they still seem fairly confident that none of us has even come CLOSE to truly guessing the identity of the FC.
Pish tosh. My gut tells me that it will be someone we all “figured out”, but the surprise or “shock” will be in HOW it will all become relevant. If nothing else, they have truly succeeded in making our tension and suspense extremely palpable.
January 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
@Tron82: probably by “the FC has been in the series since the beginning…” means that RDM and Eick sat in their office and put up the headshots of everyone who’s been there since the beginning and threw darts and whoever they both hit would be the Final Cylon.
January 10th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Matt and Nat
I’m sorry I haven’t been on here in a while. I’ve been slacking on almost everything Battlestar lately. ~Bows head in shame~ From what I am hearing from everyone I chat with on BSG your Frack party is the big talk everywhere and is considered to be the event of a life time. I am so sorry I won’t be able to attend. Before I heard of it an old friend from High School had told me her son was coming here for boot camp (Parris Island) and he graduates on the 16th. Me being a good guy told them come on over, you guys can stay with us. I’ll lead you there for family day etc, etc. Then I hear about the Frack Party. Kind of sucks for me big time and I came so close to telling them sorry for your luck but that would not be polite at all.
Anyway I have seen all 10 websodes as well as the 4.0 DVD set so here goes nothing. I hope it is not a spoiler to anyone. If you have not seen them all don’t read further.
OK first the websodes since that is what this is all about. I was impressed with the whole set even though I thought it was a bit predictable. I feel it is giving more credence to my theory that Gaeta is the final Cylon. Just think of the torment he is going through now. I think that Sharon knew he is the FC and that is why she killed everyone and set up Gaeta to kill her as well so he could survive. That’s it plane and simple for me on this. I can’t wait to see them all on the big TV this week.
Now as for the DVD’s. I watched all the deleted scenes and what not and I think it is funny how RDM is trying to give us all a good mind frack with different guesses on the FC. He left hints to tons of people who could be it. One thing I caught in a deleted scene that really hit me was when head 6 just vannashed. It was just like Count Iblis and John from TOS. Hence another bit of proof that RDM is putting a beings of light spin on things.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:15 am
@JJ: LOL! Good one!
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if throwing darts was their “selection process”. Good gawd. Let’s hope not.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Funny sometimes how you can make a connection between two things completely unrelated. Well I’ve made one such connection this weekend. I was listening to “Such a Shame” by Talk Talk and it kinda made me think of what the Final Four had to go through before the were found out. I’m posting the lyrics below. Read the lyrics closely, and you will probably come the same conclusion I have. If not, just tell yourself I’m more screwed up than you are!
Such a shame to believe in escape
‘A life on every face’
And that’s a change
Till I’m finally left with an eight
Tell me to relax, I just stare
Maybe I don’t know if I should change
A feeling that we share
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me with rage
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me in haste
Such a shame
This eagerness to change
It’s a shame
The dice decide my fate
And that’s a shame
In these trembling hands my faith
Tells me to react, ‘I don’t care’
Maybe it’s unkind that I should change
A feeling that we share
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me with rage
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me in haste
Such a shame
This eagerness to change
Such a shame
Tell me to relax, I just stare
Maybe I don’t know if I should change
A feeling that we share
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me with rage
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me in haste
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Write it across my name
It’s a shame
Such a shame
Number me in haste
Such a shame
This eagerness to change
This song was written in the 80’s. Like they say, all this happened before and will happen again?
January 12th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Compare Gaeta’s suffering and need for redemption with Baltar’s – no comparison at all. Keep that in mind, all you who believe Gaeta to be the 5th, if that’s your reasoning!!
My predictions:
Boomer will turn against Cavil, reunite with Tyrel.
Gaeta and Baltar will try to redeem themselves together.
Starbuck will become (is already) a Being of Light.
There are humans on Earth.
I still have no definitive answer as to the final cylon is. Roslin makes the most sense, as she mistrusts them so much – it would be the ultimate in irony and dramatic possibilities that it is her.
Anyway, more important than who, I want people’s speculations on what the final cylon will do, what role this person will play, what ’special powers’ she/he will have in terms of stopping invasion, influencing people, turning the course of events. What is this person’s purpose/destiny? To make peace?
The final four haven’t done a lot in terms of storyline. The guys are still doing their jobs on Galactica and Tory is hanging out (probably having a LOT of nookie heh heh) on the basestar. They helped find Earth (Sam and Tyrel) and stopped a conflict (Tighe), and look poised to remember some things, but their purpose/destiny is yet to be revealed as well.
Comments?
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